Eli Schiff - Instagram's Abomination Part I (elischiff.com)
over 7 years ago from Marco Scannadinari, Web developer
over 7 years ago from Marco Scannadinari, Web developer
The first in a 2 part series about shit that doesn't really matter....
Are there really 19 (and counting) people who make a living at design and believe a logo "doesn't really matter"?
I mean, you can hold the complete opposite opinion from Eli's, or consider Instagram an insignificant brand (?!), but if we're not here to discuss the success of design, the design process, and the reaction to it, what are we here for?
What I'm getting at is all this in depth critique of a brand that changed their logo is stuff that doesn't really matter. A lot of smart people made an informed decision about their brand and changed it. The logo is neither here nor there but Instagram as a product is so great. Obviously it's important and I care about branding but it's not the be all and end all when the interface is the most important part about their brand/product. The app icon really just serves the purpose of aligning the product alongside others on the home screen. Most of this is all a reaction to the fact they changed something that everyone told them for 3 years was outdated. Let's be done with it now.
We definitely agree that Instagram's a great product (it's probably the only social medium that makes me happier when I use it) and that the interface is of more urgent importance than the app icon (both of which I was fine with before). I do still find it educational to read and talk about all of those things, but I guess I can understand the fatigue.
Does it honestly matter, though? They could change their logo to the shit emote and the world would still turn. It's not that logos don't matter, it's more that it's pretty inconsequential what a billion dollar app for taking snaps on my phone has as their logo. All this hot air from people like Schiff is just ridiculous, the logo is absolutely fine.
Guy who says this conversation doesn't matter continues the conversation about why it doesn't matter.
So meta. Much comment.
This convo is woke as fuck.
It's a good question. Does it matter? According to Eli, it mattered enough to Instagram that they went through, what, 300 variations to get to the one we see? Perhaps they, too, decided in the end that it didn't matter and just threw a dart at the wall.
"The team considered 300 icons in all"
"Total disregard for the process." (Implying this mess is worthy of being called a process)
"All those explorations were actually up on the walls all over their office"
"a subtle cue to anyone that watches, which says, "Hey, we did a ton of work and this didn't happen by accident!"
How did we get here?
At what point did designers working in tech/startups decide this was in any sense a sane way to design?
Why are we supposed to praise them for throwing shit at the wall in the form of several hundred arbitrary variations of a camera glyph?
This idea that somehow putting everything on walls so the whole office can stick their oar in is asinine. It's pure design by committee.
Throwing shit at a wall to have it judged by committee is still just a popular piece of shit on a wall.
"Have some fucking empathy. Everyone is trying hard."
I'm not going to have empathy for someone doing their job, but I will pity their misspent effort when a more appropriate solution could have been achieved in a fraction of the time with clearer creative vision and management.
Designing 300 logo variations for ANY brand isn't creative direction, it's a full on creative train derailment going straight off a cliff and head on into a preschool. It's laughable that any designer in these companies signs up for this shambles of a process and genuinely believes just because they're passing a pile of glyph colour and border radius treatments daily that it's somehow well invested design time.
Funny how if someone perceives that a design didn't take much work, it's not good. How do I make something look like it took A LOT of work?
Taking too much effort to achieve something poorly doesn't make it good. Plenty of well regarded design classics didn't take a lot of work. It's the finished product that matters and if it's poor then pointing to the mountain of rejected ideas isn't going to make it any better.
Yeah, I am more intrigued by the thought process these companies have making a show out of the process instead of just showing what they have made.
I would never want to show my failed attempts to a client in hopes it get makes them to appreciate the final design.
Agreed. Offering up the process can be interesting, but when the design is interpreted as bad, it almost feels like someone having to explain why they ended up where they did.
It's as awkward as someone explaining a joke when no one laughs.
I'm not going to have empathy for someone doing their job
Welp.
This idea that somehow putting everything on walls so the whole office can stick their oar in is asinine. It's pure design by committee.
The sane idea in this comment.
This is exactly how I reacted by just seeing the title.
Why does Eli hate everything
Because the pageviews would be 25% of what he's getting now.
I literally sighed and felt pain when I saw this on the DN Feed
ME TOO! Hi Oscar!
I was expecting this post. I was expecting this hyperbolic tone.... I was expecting this to be on the front page of DN. I was expecting a backlash in the comments. DN community - change it up!
"This is my version of Design and whoever doesn't follow it is wrong"
The Mary Whitehouse of design is back.
"Children will believe that the Instagram logo is being held underwater for a whole week."
Who cares about what this guy has to complain? Oh, I'm sorry — I mean... critique. Look at his site. Is he going to write about how old and not-attractive his site looks?
Food critics are not Michelin starred chefs.
Indeed. Find me a food critic who calls themselves a 'chef' as well as a 'critic', and who dishes out their reviews from a badly executed restaurant while serving up awful dishes.
Show me that person, show me that their output is respected in their industry still, and then you just might have an argument.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like his website... Perhaps it doesn't follow the trends of today but I find it "attractive".
An example of why registration should be closed.
Sensible reaction to someone's opinion.
I would point to your thinly-veiled threat to Eli Schiff downthread as a better reason why registration should be closed.
It was a joke lol.
"thinly-veiled"
What was the point of you going back and making this pointless comment a day later?
Cause I can Peter.
Clickbait strikes again
At least is not webdesignernews spam :))
A curious thing about the new icon: because it feels more casual, I've been tapping on it more often. It's certainly bold on my screen, compared to many other simple icons on white. I think with the previous icon, it had a feeling of a utility or tool, almost like it might require work to interact with.
The camera icon in the actual tab bar is also reduced a lot now, and one could argue that they no longer have to encourage content creation: the argument is already made.
Despite how long this branding lasts or what's to come, I think Instagram is actually on to something relevant for the brand as it exists today, in my opinion.
Agreed. I find my eyes are drawn to the icon as well. Although, it could also because I tap on it close to 10x a day and my eyes are trained to look in the same spot whenever I have to urge to open the app.
Hot takes here! Get em while they're hot!
I genuinely enjoyed this and most of Eli's other articles. I may not agree with everything he says and the tone may be snarky, but they're still better informed and backed up than the majority of articles that pander to the existing status-quo.
I agree with you, I'm relatively new to his commentary on design but I enjoyed it.
However I do disagree on one point though, I love his snarky tone. Haha.
Someone should let the author know that modernism, while it had a good run, came to an end in the 40's-50's.
This is modern:
Uh.. it's still alive and well.
The second I saw Instagram's new icon and black/white interface I already knew that Eli was going to have a field day. I never expected it to be a trilogy.
The Tolkien of bullshit.
Watch your back Eli.
Watch out, we've got a badass over here!
Hey, can I join your cool avatar club?
No, registration is closed. Ask again tomorrow.
Sorry, our club is exclusively for people who couldn't be bothered to make a good avatar. My swirl represents my infinite apathy.
Haha, I thought this might give the old boy a palpitation.
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