• Edwin de JonghEdwin de Jongh, 8 years ago

    So because the author doesn't use 100% of all the native Apple apps, Apple must have a software problem? What? Does he even consider that not all Apple users are pro-users and could be perfectly happy with the native apps?

    36 points
    • Daniel WinterDaniel Winter, 8 years ago


      0 points
    • Laurens SpangenbergLaurens Spangenberg, 8 years ago

      I agree, but at the same time I feel like some of Apple's apps belong in the App Store, like Chess, Grapher, and a few of the apps the author mentioned.

      0 points
    • Adam SelbyAdam Selby, 8 years ago

      Yeah, this really reads as "Apple doesn't make what I want and that's a big problem", while ignoring the fact that it works for a whole lot of people.

      1 point
  • Giulio MichelonGiulio Michelon, 8 years ago

    I'd love to -1 this post.

    23 points
    • Emmanuel HerreroEmmanuel Herrero, 8 years ago (edited 8 years ago )

      I like that DN doesn't allow users to downvote content.

      That said, I'm going to upvote your comment in lieu of downvoting his.

      0 points
  • Michael AleoMichael Aleo, 8 years ago

    Apple don't do software well

    This blog don't convince me well either.

    12 points
    • Jared CJared C, 8 years ago

      They don’t think it be like it is, but it do.

      13 points
    • Connor Tomas O'BrienConnor Tomas O'Brien, 8 years ago

      Just for the record, in some countries (including the UK, where Matt's from), companies are treated as plural entities. (I.e. "Apple are" is correct grammar, while "Apple is" would be incorrect). As an Australian, where both versions are valid, it can be a real headache.

      1 point
    • Jay KerrJay Kerr, 8 years ago

      The article is poorly written. Actually, most of the copy on this blog is poorly written but he does have some interesting articles and has put a lot of work into sharing his thoughts on various topics.

      1 point
  • Daniel SamuelsDaniel Samuels, 8 years ago

    there's no Apple sanctioned package manager

    Does the App Store not count?

    12 points
    • Hamish TaplinHamish Taplin, 8 years ago

      I don't think so, no.

      5 points
    • Laurens SpangenbergLaurens Spangenberg, 8 years ago

      Not really. Linux users wouldn't consider Steam to be a package manager, even if it has a command line binary for installing and updating things. However, Macports is a semi-official package manager for OS X. Apple hosts their servers, and a few guys at Apple developed on it.

      1 point
  • Julian CJulian C, 8 years ago

    Can Designer News start vetting stuff that is posted? Or implement a Downvote? Not everyone with an internet connection has something worthwhile to say. This rant is completely unsubstantial, it's just full of buzzword. Why even bother posting?

    9 points
  • Jonathan KelleyJonathan Kelley, 8 years ago

    Apple Stocks is probably up there with the most used apps on the iPhone.

    6 points
  • Andy LeverenzAndy Leverenz, 8 years ago (edited 8 years ago )

    The author "don't do" articles well

    5 points
  • Brian A.Brian A., 8 years ago (edited 8 years ago )

    The one thing I do agree with is the bit about being able to delete unused app. This problem isn't unique to Apple, by the way; Google's default app suite is a bit bloated as well.

    4 points
    • Chris NewtonChris Newton, 8 years ago

      I actually agreed with almost every point he made under “Other problems with Apple software?” as well, though he certainly could have done more to argue his case.

      0 points
  • Jason TiernanJason Tiernan, 8 years ago

    Totally agreed on the quality of software as of late, especially iTunes. It's a nightmare.

    But, are there actual statistics regarding the usage of bundled apps? The amount of people I meet who still are using the Apple versions of all the software is pretty high. Just because we're saavy enough to find alternatives doesn't necessarily mean everyone else is as well.

    4 points
  • Axel ValdezAxel Valdez, 8 years ago

    I find kind of disturbing that everyone's lighting their torches and getting ready to put the author at the stake just because he talked shit about Apple. It's almost like he did a yo-mama joke and you got really offended. Come on.

    Every brand puts undeletable apps in our phones, but the fact that everyone does it doesn't make it right. We should be able to remove every app we want, provided it is not necessary for the OS to run. How can you not agree with him about this?

    Maybe you're right and the author is wrong, but he has at least one point right. And you're all being assholes.

    3 points
    • George ChenGeorge Chen, 8 years ago (edited 8 years ago )

      I think people are upset because not able to remove OEM stock apps is the least of any "software problems" w/ Apple.

      We'd expect much more from a blog post with the controversial headline "Apple has a software problem". The headline also reminds me of Marco Armen's blog post w/ the title "Apple has lost the functional high ground" too.

      The fact the author uses up to 50% of the stock apps also make his argument much weaker.

      2 points
      • Axel ValdezAxel Valdez, 8 years ago

        That's an excellent point. I wish the rest of the criticism in the thread were like yours and not as "you can easily hide [the apps]. I don't see a need for change" or "Do your web apps have settings screens to hide menus I don't want to see?"

        Anyway, thanks. I'm moving on now.

        1 point
  • Daniel WinterDaniel Winter, 8 years ago

    So would you start complaining that Windows ships with a command line that is practically unusable? Or that my Honda ships with a cigarette lighter which I would only use to torture mafia guys? Or that the iPhone comes with Headphones some people don't use? All these apps don't take much space (especially compared to a naked windows phone installation which takes about 2.3gb of your smartphone), and you can easily hide them. I don't see a need for change here to be honest.

    3 points
    • barry saundersbarry saunders, 8 years ago

      People have been complaining about pre-installed crapware on windows machines for decades now, so yeah, I would complain about it. At least you can do a clean install on windows and delete the shit you don't use.

      3 points
    • Per VPer V, 8 years ago

      I'm all for Mac/Apple (I do like Microsoft also), but as @Barry said, MS has been taking shit for shipping[1] with pre-installed crap a long time. But since it's Mac this, Steve that, Ive this and so on a lot of people tend to be fine with everything.

      I like the blog post.

      [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission

      3 points
  • Paulo PereiraPaulo Pereira, 8 years ago

    Safari for OS X is just fine. Third-party cookies blocked by default, no Flash by default. History/tabs shared with Safari for iOS, and looks great.

    1 point
  • Mike JohnsonMike Johnson, 8 years ago

    So, I noticed a flash of unstyled content on this blog. Looked into it and saw that you're using Filament's LoadCSS plugin for async CSS loading. Then saw in their readme that "The Flash of Unstyled Text (FOUT) is a feature for progressively rendered web sites—we want our content usable by readers as soon as possible." Anybody else think that's crazy talk? Showing me a FOUT doesn't make content usable earlier, it does make me think a site has something wrong with it immediately.

    1 point
  • Dean HaydenDean Hayden, 8 years ago

    Their pro software is the biggest concern; from dropping Apature to dumbing down Final Cut to making Logic more like Garageband. I don't know what happened internally but it seemed like they wanted to make these apps accessible to an iPhone generation and forgot about those who make a living from their products.

    1 point
  • Vladimir GorshkovVladimir Gorshkov, 8 years ago

    This is such BS article, not even an article. This has been happening for years. Yes, Apple is moving, (moved) away from Pro users which make up less than 10% of their audience by now. No need to get sad or mad about it. Plenty of choice out there.

    1 point
  • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, 8 years ago

    Actually Apple has much more of a web problem.

    Beyond their well executed marketing/store website, Apple just doesn't do web based stuff nearly as well as Google (although arguably they both have poor support websites in terms of feedback and forums), which is funny considering how great Safari is.

    For example the live event videos only being viewable via Safari. Or iCloud which I never access via the web because it just feels weird, unlike Gmail or other Google services.

    0 points
  • Kevin MartinKevin Martin, 8 years ago

    If you're the root user of your machine, you can do anything. You can actually remove all the default apps. Simply navigate to the applications directory using the terminal, sudo rm -rf Safari, type your password when prompted, and poof Safari is gone. Using sudo is powerful, and I suggest using it only once you understand the ins and outs of how computers really work.

    0 points
  • Henrique Alves, 8 years ago

    I half agree with the quality of software however I know a lot of people even myself that uses and are happy with the native apps.

    IMHO we from the tech industry forget that ordinary users are not always young hipsters using their white iPhones, at fancy coffeeshops while buying their expensive Latte.

    0 points
  • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 8 years ago (edited 8 years ago )


    first-party bloat exists on all platforms (except Linux, i guess) and if you're on Android or Windows, you get carrier/oem bloat pre-installed too.

    0 points
  • Claude AyiteyClaude Ayitey, 8 years ago

    Get a Google Nexus phone and I'm sure you'll write a similar post. I don't use Photos(I use QuickPic), Play Newsstand, News and Weather, Downloads, Google Earth, Email, etc. but that doesn't mean Google doesn't make good apps.

    On the contrary if I was on iOS, I'd use most of the apps in your "Apple Bin".

    Wish I could downvote your post but that's your opinion.

    0 points