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9 years ago from David Barker
9 years ago from David Barker
Am I the only one that could care less that she joined their board? I think it's time some of us took off our tin foil hats. Dropbox has an amazing service/ux/ui, that I don't think anyone can even compete with right now. Until that happens, there is no way I'm switching from their platform.
No, you’re not the only one. But I think it’s more than people wearing tinfoil hats and are afraid of their data being spied on by Five Eyes. While Dropbox is pretty convenient, people are willing to trade that convenience to uphold their ideals (those that believe she’s a war criminal and don’t want to do business with an organization that works with her).
I hate to be that guy but it should be “couldn't care less”. “Could care less” means that you actually care.
must be a paradox
I personally prefer to take a stand for ethical decisions and American freedom. If that means I'm wearing a tin foil hat, then so be it.
Nope, on your side. Running to conclusions before things happen is highly unethical of us to consider someones past as a problematic issue for the future. Honestly, I could care less that she will be on their board of directors. What harm could she do, wiretap everyones phones and cause a war in SF (Pulling drop-dropbox.com's leg :P)? If she screws up while in the position, then we can argue!
only a matter of time before she accuses Box of hiding WMDs and waterboards Aaron Levie.
"As a country, we are having a great national conversation and debate about exactly how to manage privacy concerns,” Rice says about her new position. “I look forward to helping Dropbox navigate it.” source: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-09/dropboxs-next-chapter-corporate-customers-ipo-condi-rice-and-eddie-vedder#p3
So the woman who authorized the NSA to start doing illegal wiretapping on the UNSC and publicly defends the necessity of such programs is now guiding Dropbox, where I store a significant chunk of my personal data, on how to handle privacy.
Ignoring politics, ignoring ethics, ignoring that there's a lot of people that consider her a war criminal, ignoring everything but the product... how the hell does this still not grievously damage the trust that dropbox needs to instill in users for its platform to be successful?
That's the most reasonable response I've read so far. That's a legitimate reason to be against their choice to bring her on to the board.
You deleted my comment on this post. I understand that you're trying to keep everything civil and kudos to that. But, the lack of community moderation here (only upvotes, no downvotes) and the current admin moderation process (bulk deleting comment threads) doesn't inspire much trust.
It's hard to grow communities, but transparency is really important when you do.
I spent five minutes writing a thoughtful reply to a pretty harsh comment. If downvotes were a thing, I probably just would have downvoted. Now, because the thread turned into some name calling, my response is gone.
Not a huge deal. The result, though, is that next time, I'll probably take my comment to a community that cares more about it.
Disagreements are good! You want that. You want people with differing opinions conversing with each other. If it gets messy, let the community try to manage it (give people a chance). Deleting threads shouldn't be a primary response.
Anyway, now I just spent 10 minutes on this comment :)
"I just spent 10 minutes on this comment"
"Engagement is up already!"
Another feature request for comments like this: all the upvotes.
I'm not about to tell anyone that he or she has to care about this sort of thing, but I'm a little scared that I'd have to. One of the exciting things about young companies like Dropbox going public is the potential for us to form a more ethically-grounded global corporate sphere. You know, one that just might one day treat humans like humans. Much of the burgeoning tech industry fancies itself liberal and enlightened—how we handle situations like this will challenge that.
Wish more companies would re-invent the rules instead of buy into the game.
the potential for us to form a more ethically-grounded global corporate sphere
agreed, but to me that ship sailed when they added forced arbitration to their terms of service. they're no different than anyone else.
Who ever made this is a walking hypocrite.
They slam Dropbox for choosing Rice but buys the domain from GoDaddy? WTF?
What's the deal with GoDaddy?
godaddy's ceo killed an elephant once. apparently, that's equivalent to the iraq war and condoning torture.
this thread is really heating up already.
I don't think OP insinuated an equivalence, just the shitty irony in buying a domain from a historically unethical company to talk about another company's decision regarding shitty ethics.
Rice was apart on an administration that did unethical things. She herself did not enforce or do those unethical things herself. Thats the relevance.
But to spell it out.
GoDaddy's CEO killed an elephant. GoDaddy did not, although, GoDaddy as a company was comdened for their CEO's actions.
Rice was apart of an administration that put a bunch of shitty things into practice via bills and other political mediums. Rice, herself, did not do that, yet the actions of her administration are being directly equated to her ability to sit on a board of advisors.
Did you even read the link?
Many people mistakenly believe that Condoleezza Rice simply served as the Secretary of State and didn't have a role in the decision to go to war with Iraq. In fact, Condoleezza Rice was President Bush's National Security Advisor during the lead-up to the Iraq War, and was intimately involved in the decision to go to war with Iraq and spoke publicly in support of it. She was an integral part of the Bush administration's campaign of lies surrounding the war, working to further public support of the war by lying about Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction. In January of 2003, Rice published an editorial in the New York Times entitled "Why We Know Iraq Is Lying". Here's a choice quote:
...if a larger type of warhead that Iraq has made and used in the past were filled with VX (an even deadlier nerve agent) and launched at a major city, it could kill up to one million people
Rice played a central role in affirming the "legality" of the Bush administration's torture program. A Senate report revealed that Rice verbally agreed to allow torture methods to be used on captured suspects, and then lied about the extent to which she was involved.
Condoleezza Rice could have resigned from the Bush Administration if she believed these actions — all of which she was deeply involved with — were wrong. She did not. It's naive to believe she was simply going along with orders and was powerless to speak out or resign. Until 1982, Rice was a registered Democrat and voted for Jimmy Carter. Shortly thereafter, she changed her party affiliation because ["in part because she disagreed with the foreign policy of the President]." To deny her agency over her own actions is to dismiss her own intelligence and history.
I agree with your sentiment, but if the person who made the site wants to riff on things Rice was associated with might as well show them that too?
This doesn't bother me.
Writing this on my Apple Computer - being sent via Verizon internet services - wearing my Nike shoes - and with a half of a hamburger on my left.
I imagine most of you saints are doing the same?
I see your point, but certain products are easy to boycott, others are not. I really don’t like the company that provides the internet infrastructure I use, but I have no other reasonable choice.
I have no issue with anyone boycotting products or companies they don’t like, for political or ethical reasons.
In many situations, voting with your wallet is the only way to make any kind of difference.
So I can't use Firefox because that will make me hate gays. Now I can't store my files on dropbox because i'll be supporting the Iraq War.
I think its time someone gives me a list of things I can use without being a sexist, racist, homophobic, war-creating piece of shit to humanity.
I'm impressed every single day that the disgusting people of the internet have the time to worry themselves with this mundane garbage. Grow up people.
"disgusting people of the internet" is a little harsh.
Not sure I really agree with this site's conclusion (Rice on the board means Dropbox now endorses all of her past actions and values). But, is it really that terrible to think about stuff like this?
When we use a company's products we are, in some way, helping that company achieve its goals. So, questioning a company's goals when deciding which products to use is not insane.
It's just a matter of people's priorities. Maybe this particular company/values discussion doesn't matter to you, but maybe it matters a lot to somebody else. You're free to not pay any attention to it and continue using Dropbox.
Is it a little harsh?
Didn't we all just waste an entire week burning Brendan Eich into the ground?
How much time between dropbox's announcement and an uproar of this protest against their service? People are on standby 24 hours a day 7 days a week just looking for something to fight about. Is it ever terrible to think? No. Is this whole thing just about a bunch of people sitting around with open-minds thinking about this situation? No. Far from it.
Not paying attention to mundane protests and outrage in the tech community means - not paying for internet or owning a single electronic device. There's too many platforms to voice uneducated and ignorant opinions.
That's just stupid. You call human rights garbage and you're impressed every single day that people care about it?
Human rights is the thought that goes through my head when I have a folder in the "cloud" with some psd's in it?
"Disgusting people of the internet"? Wow.
For anyone wanting to switch, there's Copy.com. I've been using it for the past couple months after switching from Dropbox and it's pretty amazing.
The kicker is you get 15GB of free storage on sign up, and 20GB if you sign up through a referral. Here's mine for those wanting to check it out:
Big fan of Copy here too. Never had any issues with syncing, and I really like seeing upload progress within finder.
Should everyone stop going to Stanford too? This is ridiculous.
Yes, absolutely. I'm glad there is one other person here that thinks this is ridiculous as I do.
I'm not a fan of here, but aside of that, I'm curious how a long-time Washington politician fits into a modern tech company culture. I'm sure the expectations of how work gets done, decisions are made, etc are vastly different.
How come this non-design, non-development topic where people fight and curse at each other is not deleted, but my thread showing someone's Behance project is considered unworthy & deleted, even if it was the hottest topic on DN?
What's up with that DN admins? You don't know your own guidelines? or you're trying to achieve new levels of hypocrisy?
Nick Sullivan's take on Eiche being pressured to step down as CEO of Mozilla would apply here. We as liberals need to be more accepting of opposing viewpoints and politics. This post depresses me as a progressive moderate.
I think as long as the anti-Dropbox sentiment comes from the tangible fear of privacy breaches as a user, then that's ok.
However, mounting ultimatums against companies that lie in contention with your personal views is not respectable. No, you don't have to use Dropbox, but saying "I'm dropping Dropbox unless Dropbox drops Rice," sounds intolerant and frankly, quite entitled.
Remember, outside of Silicon Valley, NYC, and other liberal tech hubs in the US (I'm a liberal myself, btw), that other political landscapes exist. Let's not politically charge our industry.
You should think outside the box. rah!
Nah, I'm thinking inside the box. Box.com, that is.
This is stupid.
To be honest, I've tried to move away from dropbox for a while now. To me Dropbox has become too big and too confident in its own right to rule file sharing. It's been a long time since I've seen any creative thinking.
In the beginning dropbox was unique, but now I see other companies rethink and challenge it, but I don't see any reaction from DB. "Copy.com" have become my new favourite service. They offer the same as DB, but adds some value. Both in form of a new fresh design and also in sizes.
At the moment I have 90gb for free at Copy without paying a dime, since they give 5gb per friend I shared it with (and I've actually shared it with my real friends) without any limit.
Also the way they calculate the amount of data used is new. If you share a 10gb folder with a friend on DB you are both charged 10gb each. Share a 10gb folder on Copy though and each of you only lose 5gb... I like the way they think and I don't see any reaction from DB.
I wonder how many Dropbox files have synced since this conversation started.
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