Which tool(s) are you using for designing UI animations?

almost 3 years ago from Thomas Michael Semmler, UI Engineer. I'm a bit mean sometimes

  • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, almost 3 years ago

    I understand what you are saying, but I do think that much of it is really inappropriate. If I were not an experienced developer already, would you have given me the same advice?

    I appreciate the lengthy answer, but you have essentially stackoverflowed me. I asked what other people use to design ui animations and you tell me to use a frontend development framework. I already know react and I work daily with it. I disagree how the ecosystem has decided to solve UI animation and style encapsulation.

    You can be upset about working conditions all you like, you can be upset about impostor syndrome, you can be upset about how much designers and front-end developers are expected to learn to be "hireable" [...]

    I don't worry about this. I am very privileged to have a secure job in a first world country. I am upset about the fact that design tools are not capable of allowing me to do my job effectively, when they very much could be. The situation that frustrates me and that I describe is not inevitable, it is constructed and deliberate decisions keep it going. That is what frustrates me.

    Why should people be expected to indulge someone who is clearly approaching the problem the wrong way?

    That is a really limiting way to think about it. If you have any experience in UX you understand that there is not a correct way of interaction. People use things in varying ways and the problems they run into are indicators of their experience. User's behaviour cannot be wrong or right. It's just behaviour. You are essentially blaming me for having a bad UX, when I am just using the tools that I am provided with. That's not the way to go.

    At this point, React and Vue have been around for years. Almost every meaningful job in our industry involves them (or the principles they espouse) in some way, shape or form.

    This statement is a very good indicator of what is actually really destructive at the moment. The web platform caters to all people, regardless of how much industry is behind their efforts. That is what makes the web great, it doesn't discriminate Websites who do not use React or Vue, or Ember, or Angular or whatever other Framework are still valid projects. Developers who make most of their stuff on their own are still valid developers. I do understand that there is a need for humans who can be easily exchanged with someone else, but this need is driven by massive companies. A designer who is designing small websites for tiny businesses in rural areas deserve the same quality tools as designers who work in huge companies. Working in a big company is not leveling up for every designer. It might be for many, but that is entirely subjective.

    People do this for very different reasons. Consider the fact that many people are developing and designing while not even working in this industry. Should we not cater to these people as well? Design Tooling currently is exclusively catering to designers working in big companies. It's understandable, that is where big money is. But not all of us are working in big companies. Sorry if that truth hurts you, but this won't change.

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    • G Lukacs, almost 3 years ago

      That is a really limiting way to think about it. If you have any experience in UX you understand that there is not a correct way of interaction. People use things in varying ways and the problems they run into are indicators of their experience. User's behaviour cannot be wrong or right. It's just behaviour. You are essentially blaming me for having a bad UX, when I am just using the tools that I am provided.

      You are not a closed/static system. You can learn new things. You can make choices. You asked the question. If your behaviour "cannot be right or wrong" and you are "just using the tools you have been provided with" then why even bother asking the question in the first place? Give me a break. Everything you've written here conveniently helps you avoid the issue. You're bending over backwards to ignore the problem at hand.

      Dan Winer has been more than accommodating, his advice and encouragement should be more than enough to help you see reason.

      As stated in your original post:

      But in this case, all of it is going into react. And react does not work well with how I usually develop animations.

      Your problem is one of compatibility with React and/or React developers. The only reason I brought up the hiring stuff was to illustrate that this is not an unreasonable proposition, and that in fact, many people manage to work with React and CSS-in-JS animations successfully. If you want to die on that hill, be my guest.

      The web platform caters to all people, regardless of how much industry is behind their efforts. That is what makes the web great, it doesn't discriminate Websites who do not use React or Vue, or Ember, or Angular or whatever other Framework are still valid projects.

      Yeah, okay. Go work on a project that doesn't use React then? You're asking about a React-specific problem, and then going on some tangent about how React doesn't account for every website on the internet. Excellent point, well made!

      People do this for very different reasons. Consider the fact that many people are developing and designing while not even working in this industry. Should we not cater to these people as well? Design Tooling currently is exclusively catering to designers working in big companies.

      I just made a website for a small family run restaurant with VueJS/Nuxt and Contentful as their CMS. It works perfectly, loads fast, and they can update it as-and-when they need to. I don't even work at a big company, we're less than 20 people in total. There are only two other designers on my team. A few weeks ago, I taught a friend of mine with zero coding experience to build a simple static site (for an upcoming exhibition) with NuxtJS. We worked together for maybe 2/3 hours? She made her first GitHub commits and everything, learned a bunch of new stuff, hosted the site for free on Netlify, was a genuinely pleasurable experience all round.

      Stop hiding behind these pitiable excuses. You don't have to work at a big company to try out new technologies. Front-end development tooling is better and more accessible than it has ever been. Just work with your React developers, learn a new thing, try it their way. If you don't like it, stop taking React projects. I'm sorry, but you're making this so many times more difficult than it has to be. Please forgive my frustration, I just wish you'd be more willing to engage with others (who, believe it or not, have lots of relevant experience in lots of different contexts) and "forgo" your principles in the hope of learning something new.

      All things considered, I think I'll respectfully disengage at this point, because I'm not sure you're willing to have a discussion in good faith. I wish you the best of luck though, hope everything works out.

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