• Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, over 3 years ago

    you know at 40 it is not time to think about retirement yet. At least where I am from, I expect having to work until 70 to get minimum pension. I personally don't think about pension at all, I'm assuming that I'll have to work until my last day alive.

    5 points
    • Craig RozynskiCraig Rozynski, over 3 years ago

      "If hard work made us rich, donkeys would be draped in gold"

      7 points
      • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, over 3 years ago

        I know what you are trying to say and I am not glorifying work by any means. I think it is very different depending on where you live. I live in Austria and my mom has to work until 63. Seeing that pensions are getting smaller and smaller, I'm estimating that I'll have to work until I am 70.

        It's probably different in the US, where whatever system is there is barely functioning. Or in Germany, where people who have worked their entire life have to survive on a minimum wage pension. I don't know how retirement works in Japan.

        0 points
        • Craig RozynskiCraig Rozynski, over 3 years ago

          Thomas, seriously, fuck the pension. The thought of it terrifies me and drives me in equal measure. We don't have to punch the clock until our teeth are falling out. It just requires a bit of strategic thinking and tenacity. Hustle!

          0 points
          • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, over 3 years ago

            I can totally understand what you are saying. That is also what I mean by saying that I don't expect to get a pension anyway, so I have to make sure that whatever I am doing later in life is still doable for me.

            0 points
    • Mike Wilson, over 3 years ago

      How many 65 year old designers have you worked with? Is it more common to see older people in the design industry where you’re from?

      Stuff like this scares the hell out of me. In the US, I’ve worked at maybe 20+ big offices (between NYC/SF/Chicago) with large sample sizes of people and have seen maybe 3 people over the age of 50 working as a designer.

      Hell, the managers I’ve worked under have mostly been under 45.

      1 point
      • Steve O'ConnorSteve O'Connor, over 3 years ago

        Paula Scher, Milton Glaser, Dave Clark, Michael Johnson - practising older designers are rarer, but still around. With an ageing population and poorer pension plans, I expect to see a lot more around in the future.

        There is a perception that the most creative ideas come from younger creatives, but that isn't borne out when you really look at what goes on in agencies. It's a combination of the older and younger minds that really helps.

        Many designers also go off into other fields, or move into management, as a natural progression.

        I'm over the 40 mark, but I see myself continuing to practice. A lot of the time I'm the one with a better eye on the latest trends, which I find odd! A young mind maybe ;) I would be very interested in doing less hands-on and more management though…

        2 points
        • Philip A, over 3 years ago

          Obviously a different industry but Hayao Miyazaki is a great example of a "creative" person whose age has done nothing but increase their ability to create new things.

          3 points
      • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, over 3 years ago

        Stuff like this scares the hell out of me. In the US, I’ve worked at maybe 20+ big offices (between NYC/SF/Chicago) with large sample sizes of people and have seen maybe 3 people over the age of 50 working as a designer.

        I think it's different in the US, where people seem to think differently about retirement. I live in Austria and the social system regulates retirement, unless I set up an additional private retirement plan. But from the moment I started working, I get yearly letters about my contribution to my own pension. And in that system, I will have to work into my late 60s. Most people in my generation do not assume that they'll get a Pension anyway, that includes me.

        0 points
      • Ryan Hicks, over 3 years ago

        You haven't seen any because the people just now nearing that age were the first designers. You have to keep in mind the "design" career in context to what is referred to as design now—like ux and ui design—hasn't been around that long. You should start to see older designers in the industry in the next handful of years. I'd like to think in the next 10 years.

        0 points
        • Mike Wilson, over 3 years ago

          You haven't seen any because the people just now nearing that age were the first designers.

          Visual software interfaces have been common since the 80s.

          Also what makes you think the design industry as it is now—UX and UI design as you say—will continue to exist in its current form in 10 years? If design has completely changed in the last decade, why do you think the changes are suddenly going to stop?

          I think we’re all fooling ourselves as to the real reason there’s no old people in design (whether it’s in tech OR old school editorial design at magazines). The truth is, ageism is a far bigger problem than we want to admit, and keeping up with trends as you age is a harder task than we think.

          0 points
    • Brijean Brennan, over 3 years ago

      40 is absolutely when you should be thinking about retirement hence not having to work until the day you die. (jeez I'm starting to sound like my mom, but dammit she was right!)

      3 points