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Within 2018 — A leadership retreat for women in design(gowithin.co)
6 years ago from Max Lind, sometimes Maxwell
Sean Schraeder, 6 years ago
Yikes! To assume every single person on earth doesnt need support and could benefit from sharing stories and experiences from their affinity groups shows just how hypocritical and short sighted you really are. Thanks for showing your true colors.
Christina N, 6 years ago
First of all, you're putting words into my mouth. And, seriously, tell me what white men, as a collective whole, could use support for. As I said with my domestic abuse example, men can certainly band together to support each other. What do white men need support of? Please don't personally attack me, you're being quite defensive.
"First of all" I'm a minority so this isn't about me specifically but thanks for assuming my race/gender/whatever offends you/them/they.
I'm not attacking anyone, I pointed out your flawed logic. I also can't speak for every white male as that would be very presumptious of me; something you seem to have no problem doing all on your own... making assumptions.
You asking that same question over and over shows a lack of empathy or respect for the topic. Sorry you have such a bigoted view on the matter. Irony at it's worst/finest (however you choose to look at it)
If anything, YOU are the one who seems defensive/triggered. Try not to mentally frame it as me being offended, and more me being perplexed by the double standard / lack of empathy.
Jim Silverman, 6 years ago
YOU are the one who seems defensive/triggered
says the dude scrawling frantic rants on a designers' forum about how sad he is to not be invited to a women's retreat.
Winner for most childish comment on this entire thread goes to... Jim Silverman!
I'm not making any presumptions, because I am literally asking for you to tell me what white men, as a demographic, need support for. You keep on telling me I'm being short-sighted and bigoted when you can't even bother answering it for me? Seems unfair.
Let me give you some examples. Do white men need support for: • Feeling antagonized by minorities in their daily life? • Feeling like they're losing their power as a majority? • Feeling that affirmative action is reverse racism?
It's super easy to answer this. I think you'd get a lot more people on your side if you avoided hurling insults in lieu of actual answers.
It's not my place to assume, and it's culturally unacceptable to find out because it doesn't fit the narrative. You seem to find a lot of things unfair, you should go talk with other women about it because as a male myself, I will never truly understand your plight/struggles anyway, right??
Account deleted 6 years ago Please stop embarrassing yourself.
More newspeak from the liberal moral mafia. "Creepy" "Deplorable" anyone who doesn't agree with the narrative is "embarrasing themselves". Grow up Todd Cantly and discuss the merits of the topic or keep the childish bro comments to yourself.
Account deleted 6 years ago *Cantley
Also, how is this a childish bro comment?
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
R Z, 6 years ago What do you need support in as a white male in the US? In what area are you the minority, not being represented enough or are being suppressed? If there's something you can think of then please share.
I've been to Tech and Design conferences and it's male dominated environment. Have you gone to one? Do you feel suppressed in a Tech conference? Do you feel you don't have enough male role models to represent you in those events?
I don't view people based on their skin or gender, it's pretty sad that you do. I wouldn't seek out a mentor based on them being exactly the same as me, I'd find that rather unproductive / not illuminating.
R Z, 6 years ago It's about finding a community to belong to and having shared experiences. You can say whatever you want but the conference is happening so keep whining and attacking people so you can feel erect about your existence.
Expressing concern for the values of a community is "whining and attacking" now. Grow up, R Z.
Ultimately stuff like this is divisive, you all are too caught up in emotion to realize it.
Holy shit, everyone, we've found him: the one man on earth who is colorblind and free of implicit biases. Put him on the hiring committee of every company, we need to learn from this guy
Full on tempur tantrum mode from Christina. Step away from the keyboard before it melts lol.
Joel Califa, 6 years ago
Sean, Christina has given you reasons for women-only events. She's also given you every chance to answer a really simple question, and you haven't done it. Maybe take a moment to answer why white men need to be able to organize exclusionary events as well?
I have answered the question several times. It would be presumtious for me to assume the struggles and needs of an affinity group I don't belong too - seems like that logic would make sense to a person so adament on defending the well being of other affinity groups such as yourself.
So let me get this straight. There is a positive event for women. You are not a white man and you don't know why they would need their own conference, but for some reason felt it was important for you to tear this event down throughout this thread because of some abstract principle?
And you still don't think women need their own events?
It is not rationalizing.
What do white males need support in regards to when they are the majority in mostly any given context?
Women need it for various things. One topical example would be sexual harassment in Silicon Valley. Another could be dealing with biases when you're a woman in STEM.
Minorities need it for various things. My work has a black guild since black people only comprise of less than 5% of the company. They need to support and encourage each other. This obviously is a microcosm of the greater systemic racial issues.
That isn't to say that there aren't men-only groups -- don't lie to yourself that these groups don't exist. Men who are victims of domestic abuse, for example, can certainly have a group and support each other.
And white men, in particular, need support for...?