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over 7 years ago from Ian Williams, ✍ ◐ < ◑ ☞
John Leschinski, over 7 years ago
I can't imagine the intent wasn't to create a divisive discussion when they chose the title. It's not as if "not all men" was born today, and there is no escaping knowing that a title like this would cause people to react the way they did.
Dan Vaughan, over 7 years ago Perhaps consider that a 'divisive' title (or maybe we could say it's 'bold', or 'challenging') is necessary because they're trying to point to issues that have been highlighted countless times before, yet still permeate our industry and culture.
Consider that they've chosen this title because it both gains attention, and doesn't actually offend anyone. If anyone thinks they're offended by it, then they need to step back and evaluate why. That's the point of the title.
All the title does is preach to the echo chamber. It does nothing to bring people on side, and the idea that someone can't be offended by the title without being the subject of it is inane reasoning.
Ethan Bond, over 7 years ago (edited over 7 years ago )
Well that's not all the title does. It also reveals who's ready to jump to the defense of misogynistic behavior!
(Edited from "misogynists" since I don't believe all of the people listed here are necessarily sexist).
Dan Vaughan, over 7 years ago I disagree. I think that people have reacted unjustifiably to this post. The selected posts show that men are being sexist and discriminatory here. To look at that and simply dismiss or ignore it (as you seem to be doing, still) is a conscious decision.
To reiterate, there's nothing unfair about the title. There's nothing offensive about the title. I didn't say that you can't be offended by the title, but if you think that you are, you very much need to evaluate why.
I'll tell you why, though — because getting offended by something like this title is childishly inconsequential in comparison to the shit that women, PoC, and LGBTQI people have to put up with every day. If you look at the title and feel unfairly treated, please step back and look at what everyone else is having to deal with all the time. Please.
The old, "others have it worse so shut up" argument. It cuts both ways though.
Dan Vaughan, over 7 years ago WOW.
Not only did I not say that (I said to please think and evaluate your feelings), but you've managed to be both defensive and deflective again. You've just illustrated the entire problem.
Also, paraphrasing my argument to sound aggressive and basic is a pretty bullshit response. How about you give me a little respect if you're going to try and engage in a discussion, and not treat me like a 12-year-old. Would also help if you offered something substantial to the discussion.
You're not interested in a discussion, you're interested in dismissing peoples concerns that you feel are unjustified.
Dan Vaughan, over 7 years ago (edited over 7 years ago ) Says someone who has responded with literally just "Nope." and "Projecting still." in other comments in this discussion. I'm done with you. Please, take the last word, you toxic hypocrite.
Says someone who has responded with literally just "Nope." and "Projecting still." in other comments in this discussion.
In response to a comment saying I'm "mad, bro". I guess I should have written a dissertation in reply? Give your head a shake.
It's disappointing, and very telling, that the majority of the responses to this post have been defensive, dismissive, or deflective. Instead of acknowledging and discussing the comments highlighted, we've simply ignored them and rushed to the defence of 'all men' — our only concern the 'fairness' of the title (note: 'men' does not, and has never implied 'all men', this is just deflective).