The Problem with Dribbble - Tobias van Schneider(medium.com)

almost 8 years ago from AJ M

  • Santiago BaigorriaSantiago Baigorria, almost 8 years ago

    Alright Thomas. Then I guess it might only be a coincidence that Dribbble haters are usually designers nobody knows and who rarely have major achievements to show for.

    Also, you all three have a Dribbble account, which makes it even more interesting.

    Regarding your assumption, yes, you are wrong. I love Dribbble because I understand the purpose it was created for and it serves me. I never miss a chance to defend it from haters, as you might appreciate here.

    Isaac's comment is also funny... "Can we just go back to creating awesome sh*t?" Take the lead man. Maybe start by avoiding time-waste in writing comments against a platform that serves thousands.

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    • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, almost 8 years ago

      Dribbble haters are usually designers nobody knows and who rarely have major achievements to show for.

      This is exactly, where I see the problem. You link all these things together, whereas you have no idea of weather they actually are linked. It is very important, that people start to learn and realise this:

      The size of your following and the amount of attention you get, does not directly relate to the quality or quantity of work you do. For you to generate a following and attention, you have to first make the conscious decision, to show your work. So as long as I don't actively post something to dribbble, twitter, tumblr, my website or whatever channel, it will hardly generate any interest by itself. I may even be required to have my name not mentioned, because my contract says so. That means, that I will not have work to generate attention. Needless to say, that there are other ways of generating attention and building up a following then just pixels, but when you write articles and blogposts about the industry, you are still in a way showing your work, but thats debatable.

      So now I have no attention on me, no following. Even though, I still work. My work may even be awarded with perks, such as an upgraded mac or something else. New clients and new projects come in, and I still do a lot of work. 4 years pass, projects were successfully wrapped and I still, have not decided to show, what I have done.

      Does that mean, that I have no success, no achievement, just because other designers don't know me? Because I made the conscious decision, not to display my achievements, it means, that other designers will think of me as a person who's opinion is less valuable?

      In short, yes, that is how it works for a lot of people. And of course that is total bullshit. I can be very successful on my own terms, have a lot of money and a secure job. But, the circumstances could be, that I will never be heard of. Unless you are a freelancer, your fame level will not have much impact on the projects you get to work on, so far at least.

      This is what is poison in this community. The strong core belief, that only your level of visible success makes you a valid member of this community. And that is linked to the size of your following. Lot of twitter followers / dribbble followers = more successful. That's not true. I can have a lot of twitter followers and be a complete moron, as long as I know how to play the twitter game. I can have a lot of dribbble followers, without completing a single project.

      In your statement, where you say, that dribbble haters are usually designers nobody knows, you directly link their level of fame with success. Just let that sink in for a moment.

      Let's take that a notch further and talk about success and achievements. Because what you talk about, is external evaluation. When a group of people decide that something is good, it is good. The fact, that I meditate every day and write 3 A4 Pages every morning is of no relevance to you. For me, it makes all the difference and is a huge success in my life. Even the fact, that I am still alive, is a success to me, because I don't let external values define me.

      So what you are saying with this sentence, is that people who to not subscribe to the idea of success getting defined by a group of people, are excluded from the right to criticize it.

      Because I don't have a lot of dribbble followers or twitter followers, it means that I am not successful, which of course has to make me jealous of the people I criticize, which invalidates my opinion, right?

      Maybe instead of trying to invalidate me, try to see if you can actually criticize what I said.

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      • Santiago BaigorriaSantiago Baigorria, almost 8 years ago

        Michael, you have obviously put a lot of thought into this... I respect that, but I still do not agree.

        The size of your following and the amount of attention you get, does not directly relate to the quality or quantity of work you do.

        What you are saying is partially true, but the opposite of what you're saying usually has a lot of truth too.

        Leaving aside exceptions to the rules (which always exist), usually popularity comes after you're made some sort of impact.

        Not everybody becomes popular just by wanting, if not, everybody would be popular, and what would be the point then?

        The fact, that I meditate every day and write 3 A4 Pages every morning is of no relevance to you.

        This is something I always tell myself: People you don't know, don't care.

        Accepting this is crucial. Since I have no relation with you, I don't really care about what you consider a personal success. I won't criticize it though, because I respect you the same way I respect others.

        What's odd about Dribbble haters, is that they usually don't respect other Dribbble players that do like Dribbble.

        I usually check haters out to see who this guys are. Personally, I find it very interesting they are usually guys with little or no work online, an abandoned Dribbble profile, and in your case a website that shows your server has been setup but no site is up.

        This is not criticism. I'm not attacking you. But it's strange. It makes one doubt. Why would anyone hate so much a platform they used to be part of? A platform to which they tried to belong? What happened in the middle?

        Criticizing is very easy. And (un?)fortunately the internet has allowed everybody to give opinions. Many times lightheaded and poorly though opinions; other times, thought through and properly debated.

        Of course there are things to criticize about Dribbble. But I'd say, don't hate the game, hate the player. If you think about it, you can find something wrong with everything... I bet you show me your work and I will be able to tear it down in seconds. But that't not cool.

        Because I don't have a lot of dribbble followers or twitter followers, it means that I am not successful, which of course has to make me jealous of the people I criticize, which invalidates my opinion, right?

        Nobody really thinks that way... But I still find it interesting that you don't usually see well-known popular designers hating Dribbble.

        IMHO, I usually see guys who tried and could't make it. And to justify this, they hate the game.

        This doesn't directly (or indirectly) mean your work is poor or anything like it. So don't take this the wrong way... As I said before, I don't know you, and I've never seen your work. I'm just assuming. And it's wrong, I know.

        Still, I can't understand hate towards a game who helped hundreds of thousands on their careers. A game that helps me (and probably many others) occasionally when I need visual inspiration.

        This is exactly, where I see the problem. You link all these things together, whereas you have no idea of weather they actually are linked. It is very important, that people start to learn and realise this.

        Regarding this intro sentence... Try not to be so determinant. Where you see a problem, I don't. And it's not that I don't understand you... I just don't share your point of view.

        Well, nice debate. I'm willing to go on though! I love to put thoughts into words, specially on my second language. So feel free to respond and ping me if I missed anything you consider relevant.

        Best, S.-

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