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almost 10 years ago from Justin Jackson, Maker
Hey, I'm here to serve: http://tldr.io/tldrs/51c3441590f426565700134e/this-is-a-web-page-
Lol, I didn't know there was a such site. Maybe I'll publish a website like www.tldrtldr.io to summarize the summarized contents so on :)
Way to elevate the discussion. (sigh)
I fear this is the current over-arching trend I've found here recently. Short knee-jerk reactions, little thought or time given to have a meaningful discussion with other professionals. Comments like these need a way to be buried, not "firsted" at the top of what could have been an interesting discourse between designers about what the post had to say.
I don't particularly agree with the premise of the post, but now I don't even want to explain why as the conversation kicked off in such a pathetic way. And was even "liked" by others.
My comment wasn't a knee-jerk reaction. I found it funny that I didn't care at all what his text was, because it was just a huge wall of characters- while he argued that text mattered in the text itself. TL;DR = a joke commenting on the irony of it. I was 'firsted at the top' because I posted first :P
If you'd done a simple search to read my other DN comments, you'd find that I'm not in the category of "little thought or time given to have a meaningful discussion with other professionals". How about not throwing sweeping generalizations about others based on one comment?
(Warning: this is a wall of text.)
Hi Nancy, thanks for all of the insight, especially the clarification of "the joke." When you said to "perform a simple search to read [your] other DN comments" it wasn't clear to me how to do that. At least, not using DN. Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see a way to do that here.
In hindsight I suppose I could have googled, "site:news.layervault.com nancy t", which I must admit I didn't.
My comment wasn't aimed at only you, although it was in this instance. It was directed towards internet acronym responses commonly found on Reddit.
On a side note, if there was a way to award karma to comments OR take it away, I'd like to think your comment would have moved up and down the thread here. Right now it's at the top just based on chronology. If karma could affect a comment negatively, people could vote them down if they so desired and and push them down the thread over time while high-scoring comments might bubble up, if they were any good.
...like the site this site is modeled after.
I look forward to seeing how it all evolves and reading more of your comments, no joke.
Here's the discussion "over there" which is quite entertaining and informative, if you're curious - still in the #1 slot with over 220 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5913381
Interestingly, down at the very bottom are some TL;DR's, too (which are becoming grayed out).
You know, that did feel kind of good. Hope you didn't read all that crap I wrote above.
Hi "Eric", thanks for all of the "insight", especially your clarification of your "understanding" of my 'TL;DR' comment. I will read your wall of text because you replied to my comment.
No, DN doesn't support search or downvotes, but you can complain about that here: https://news.layervault.com/stories/4480-lets-talk-about-how-you-cant-view-past-comments-cant-search-and-how-there-are-no-reply-notifications
DN is not Reddit, and it's not HN. 'TL;DR' was the most succinct answer I could give to express the irony I perceived from Justin's page. Let me be clear: I don't mean to be dismissive. A page of text without styling is hard to read and hard to care about in an age of instant gratification and ADHD.
Or you know, TL;DR if you don't want to read my response. I spy another 1 word comment on this page you could pick on if thats your thing.
" A page of text without styling is hard to read and hard to care about in an age of instant gratification and ADHD."
A few data points to consider: - Over 50,000 unique people have visited that page today. They've spent, on average, 2:43 minutes reading it (very good, for a page that length) - I received over 400 mentions on Twitter today from that page. Only 2 have been negative. - The click-through rate on that link on the bottom of the page (to my book's landing page) is over 8% (average CTR is generally 1-2% I think) - Great designers like Jeffrey Zeldman, Jason Fried and the folks at A List Apart liked it and shared it today
Thanks for the stats- I don't disagree with them, but I do believe there's a time and place for a large body of text. If you're telling a story, that's great. I definitely read through long articles (eg: NYT's relatively unstyled 6-pagers) if the story grabs me and the writing is good. But if you're trying to explain what your mobile app is, that's not so great.
Good content > decorative design. But good content also risks being overlooked without styling. Great design is when it enhances good content without getting in the way.
But in this case, couldn't we argue that this page is good design?
An average post on the New York Times or Huffington Post might get 2,500 views in a day. A great one might get 27,000+. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/the-economics-of-blogging-and-the-huffington-post/
This page, written, designed, and distributed by 1 person has had 61,198 page views so far today.
Doesn't sound like it's been overlooked, despite it's lack of styling.
I think it depends on the way the content is served too. Would an average post in the NTY or Huffington post get 61,198 views in a day? Probably not, but I'm guessing people who hate sports don't read sports articles, people not interested in business don't read the business section, etc.
But post an article titled 'This is web design' on DN, HN, and spread it on Twitter? The audiences of all 3 are quite tech-oriented, and a lot of people visit those sites. It's like preaching to the choir; they're likely already intrigued by the title and are interested in reading what you say about web design.
I think you posted in the right places and got the right exposure, so no, it hasn't been overlooked. I think this phenomenon of viral-ness is very interesting and merits another discussion on its own even. However- nice job, and congrats on your improved stats :) My intention was never to offend, but to make an ironic/funny comment.
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